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The Hoax Theory / Re: Hoax? - Flag moves without being Touched

« Last post by Luke Pemberton on January 05, 2025, 09:24:35 PM »

OK, I agree to simulate moon's gravity the film must be slowed down according to (1.67/9.81)^1/2. So we have to slow the Apollo film from 30 fps to 12.3 fps. Is this the starting point?

Why not create a new thread for this, as it has nothing to do with flag motions?

You were discussing film slow down rates in this very thread. I quoted you in the question.

But it is OK, I've found the answer to my question from another one of your posts. My question wasn't really about frame rates and how films are slowed, but rather the history of MLH theory and the internal inconsistencies and its shifting goal posts. It is quite funny that you asked me if I was new to MLH theory. On the contrary.

Do you agree that MLH theory must have a consistent set of premises from the start it is to be a viable theory?

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The Hoax Theory / Re: Telematry Data

« Last post by Mag40 on January 05, 2025, 09:24:33 PM »

Apollo 12 through 17 (and Skylab, ASTP and Shuttle up to 1987) all used sequential color full resolution 29.97 frames per second cameras. This signal was not needed to be scan converted in order to be viewable on a standard SD TV set - note given the RGB filtering, the image luminance flickers in conjunction with the differences in the seperate color channels). However, in order to have a full gamut color image, the sequential material was matrixed in a custom built color converter.

As evidence to the existance of these tapes, for example, recent color conversions were made of the Apollo 16 TV feeds (known for a fact, as I hold reference copies). These were made from the original recordings. The ASTP press conference exists as the monochrome pre-color converted recording. The separate Red Blue Green recordings exist as well.

Thank you!  Do you have any links that substantiate your claims?  If I'm going to accept something as fact, it helps to have more sourcing other than "Dwight from ApolloHoax.net".

Dwight, published author and expert on the TV cameras used by NASA.

https://www.nasa.gov/history/alsj/dwightSB.html

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The Hoax Theory / Re: Telematry Data

« Last post by LunarOrbit on January 05, 2025, 09:23:10 PM »

Apollo 12 through 17 (and Skylab, ASTP and Shuttle up to 1987) all used sequential color full resolution 29.97 frames per second cameras. This signal was not needed to be scan converted in order to be viewable on a standard SD TV set - note given the RGB filtering, the image luminance flickers in conjunction with the differences in the seperate color channels). However, in order to have a full gamut color image, the sequential material was matrixed in a custom built color converter.

As evidence to the existance of these tapes, for example, recent color conversions were made of the Apollo 16 TV feeds (known for a fact, as I hold reference copies). These were made from the original recordings. The ASTP press conference exists as the monochrome pre-color converted recording. The separate Red Blue Green recordings exist as well.

Thank you!  Do you have any links that substantiate your claims?  If I'm going to accept something as fact, it helps to have more sourcing other than "Dwight from ApolloHoax.net".

Dwight, published author and expert on the TV cameras used by NASA.

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The Hoax Theory / Re: Telematry Data

« Last post by Jason Thompson on January 05, 2025, 09:16:43 PM »

Thank you!  Do you have any links that substantiate your claims?  If I'm going to accept something as fact, it helps to have more sourcing other than "Dwight from ApolloHoax.net".

Links maybe not. A book or two, most likely....

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The Hoax Theory / Re: Telematry Data

« Last post by Mag40 on January 05, 2025, 09:16:22 PM »

But the source signal tapes are missing? (before conversion to NTSC)

For Apollo 11 SSTV! The recordings would have improved the TV footage to a certain degree, but not massively better than the enhanced digital version.

Was there any footage on the tapes that was lost, in a format that we no longer have?

The same question as before, same answer. Jayutah gave a great explanation on this and how it would be ultra difficult to even read today.

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The Hoax Theory / Re: Telematry Data

« Last post by Jason Thompson on January 05, 2025, 09:15:45 PM »

But the source signal tapes are missing? (before conversion to NTSC)

No such conversion was needed for the Apollo 12-17 TV transmissions.

Was there any footage on the tapes that was lost, in a format that we no longer have?

No.

And how do you know there wasn't footage that simply wasn't converted to NTSC?  (meaning that the source formatted tapes have footage no one has seen)

Because no such conversion was needed, and because there is continuous audio and transcription for all missions, and the TV transmissions were called out in there and match up to the video material. Why do you feel the need to invent this possible missing footage? The reports about the Apollo 11 tapes are very clear about what they contained that was of interest. I fail to see where your basis is for concluding thre might be additional TV footage we never saw.

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The Hoax Theory / Re: Telematry Data

« Last post by dwight on January 05, 2025, 09:15:37 PM »

"Live TV From the Moon" would be a good place to start.

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The Hoax Theory / Re: Telematry Data

« Last post by najak on January 05, 2025, 09:12:58 PM »

Apollo 12 through 17 (and Skylab, ASTP and Shuttle up to 1987) all used sequential color full resolution 29.97 frames per second cameras. This signal was not needed to be scan converted in order to be viewable on a standard SD TV set - note given the RGB filtering, the image luminance flickers in conjunction with the differences in the seperate color channels). However, in order to have a full gamut color image, the sequential material was matrixed in a custom built color converter.

As evidence to the existance of these tapes, for example, recent color conversions were made of the Apollo 16 TV feeds (known for a fact, as I hold reference copies). These were made from the original recordings. The ASTP press conference exists as the monochrome pre-color converted recording. The separate Red Blue Green recordings exist as well.

Thank you!  Do you have any links that substantiate your claims?  If I'm going to accept something as fact, it helps to have more sourcing other than "Dwight from ApolloHoax.net".

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The Hoax Theory / Re: Hoax? - Apollo 12 Lunar Rendezvous, Dish Falls with Gravity

« Last post by najak on January 05, 2025, 09:10:46 PM »

Your hoax explanations are still bound by physics and 'normalcy'. You don't get to handwave any old explanation without considering its implications.

Agreed.  MLH claims are bound by physics, and feasibility.  Implications of all proposals are important too.

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The Hoax Theory / Re: Telematry Data

« Last post by dwight on January 05, 2025, 09:08:13 PM »

Apollo 12 through 17 (and Skylab, ASTP and Shuttle up to 1987) all used sequential color full resolution 29.97 frames per second cameras. This signal was not needed to be scan converted in order to be viewable on a standard SD TV set - note: given the RGB filtering, the image luminance flickers (in conjunction with the differences in the seperate color channels). So, in order to have a full gamut color image, the sequential material was matrixed in a custom built color converter.

As evidence to the existance of these tapes, for example, recent color conversions were made of the Apollo 16 TV feeds (known for a fact, as I hold reference copies). These were made from the original recordings. The ASTP press conference exists as the monochrome pre-color converted recording. The separate Red Blue Green recordings for color TV from the missions exist as well.