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The Hoax Theory / Re: Hoax? - Sand Falls too Fast.
« Last post by najak on January 05, 2025, 07:06:28 PM »
.... gish gallop....
This forum doesn't allow Gish-gallop.  So please boil it down to one-point-at-a-time.  And why don't you simply create a thread for your favorite "slam-dunk" so that it can be clearly identified and seen by others... instead of being stuck in this mish-mashed thread.

Those who rely on Gish-Gallop are afraid to make "one point at a time", because it exposes you...  Make a new thread, so that you can have your main issue achieve front-and-center clear attention.  Show everyone that you can slam the MLH "smart guy".
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The Hoax Theory / Re: Hoax? - Apollo 12 Lunar Rendezvous, Dish Falls with Gravity
« Last post by Mag40 on January 05, 2025, 07:05:30 PM »
Not claiming this.  Not PROOF of faked moon landings.  Only trying to determine the best explanation of this fling, bouncing, then pendulum-like motion from a TD perspective.

"A12 Dish Flinging - to Pendulum motion" ==  Looks good so far.
I swear this guy is a bloody comedian. He uses anti-physics as a model for his claims that aren't proving anything but "look good so far".

So the pendulum theory fails when all motion stops, when the LM continues to rotate and yaw for some considerable time afterwards. Notice how najak runs away from this.
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The Hoax Theory / Re: Hoax? - Sand Falls too Fast.
« Last post by najak on January 05, 2025, 07:03:09 PM »
Are you expecting all the dust to reach the same height as the astronaut's boot?

What is the basic physics that you claim the dust must follow?
You appear relatively sane-minded to me.  Refreshing.

The main video I focused on was A16, Duke's side-jump, close to the camera - because it's CLOSE UP, so provides the best resolution.

Here is the KRITA frame analysis in MP4 format:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JRjdohQ0cXftl_feaVeMT1rdYSlkS7mS/view?usp=drive_link

I've RETRACTED my claim of this being "good evidence" due to ambiguities...  I personally still "see it", but can understand if others don't, and since I can't trace the trajectory of individual particles, but am only dealing with "clouds of dust" partially obscured by the shadows behind it - I've simply withdrawn this claim as "good evidence for MLH".

One thing to note, if you are interested is frame 13 -- we see thick dust at about the same height as his RIGHT FOOT (the left foot he is KICKING UP... so rises higher than Duke's center-of-mass).

This dust that rises as high as his right foot, QUICKLY falls to the ground, which would indicate "higher than lunar gravity" as in this scene, the MLH theory is that Duke is being partially lifted by thin top cable, to make him feel much lighter, and thus falls much slower (2x slower).

Thus if this is on earth, the dust will fall 2x faster... which is "what I see"... and simply realize this isn't a good place to "fight a battle" as there is simply too much room for bias/ambiguities.

Notice that by frame 18, the dust from under his left foot is COMPLETELY GONE, while his right foot is still far from reaching the ground.

No need to argue this further if you don't see it.  That's fine.

Unlike some other people here (who never took physics at all), they cannot accept that not everyone agrees or sees the same stuff -- especially when things are so cloudy (pun intended).
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The Hoax Theory / Re: Hoax? - Apollo 12 Lunar Rendezvous, Dish Falls with Gravity
« Last post by dwight on January 05, 2025, 07:03:06 PM »
OK, you just made a point about not posting off-topic. What was your intention with the comment "unless you are under some contract with NASA to help protect them."?
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The Hoax Theory / Re: Telematry Data
« Last post by dwight on January 05, 2025, 06:59:28 PM »
There has been NO "private" SSTV footage lost - meaning what was televised in 1969 has always been available. There was no SSTV from inside the LM, nor the CSM for Apollo 11. The scan-converted video of the Lunar EVA has been stored on videotape and kinescope since 1969. All TV color downlinks from the missions is accounted for, with the expection of LOS during brief points in the timeline, the most notable being the crew statements. CBS holds the complete recording in which you see the signal lost, and where you hear Capcom instruct the crew that TV has been lost. The CBS tapes have color bars at this point of the feed but retain continuous audio. Bart Sibrel has attempted to claim he has footage never intended for the public, yet this material was televised live on CBS.
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The Hoax Theory / Re: Telematry Data
« Last post by najak on January 05, 2025, 06:49:21 PM »
One aspect about the missing telemetry tapes is that not one hoax proponent, prior to the announcement of the tapes in 2009, ever thought to consider the TV data stored on those recordings. I was loosely involved in the tape search, and I know first hand that it was only our core group who were hoping to retrieve these tapes for the TV signal stored within.
I'm a rookie, but my interest was for the Video footage that was never released to TV.  As of now, the only SSTV video footage we still have was the footage broadcast publicly.  Where is all of the private footage?  Gone.

Telemetry data, IMO, was less of a concern for me, because they were REQUIRED to produce loads and loads of full mission simulated Telemetry data to use for the Mission Simulations, all the way to the control room.   Simulating #'s was easier than faking a ton more video.

Were they constantly feeding in data from inside the CSM during the entire mission?   What about footage from inside the LM?  I have never heard anyone say just how much SSTV footage was lost along with all of these tapes.
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The Hoax Theory / Re: Hoax? - Flag moves without being Touched
« Last post by LunarOrbit on January 05, 2025, 06:42:49 PM »
Some bloke left the door open and this gust of wind came in and did things. These do not explain the flag movement. This occurred during the first videoed depressurisation. Then, that same pillock came along and did the very same thing again, equally with no explanation and also during the next depressurisation.
That's a good counter argument -- the unlikeliness of this "mistake" being also timed with the depressurization.

But it STILL offers no viable explanation for what force moved these flags TOWARDS the LM in the manner we see filmed.

It shows how ridiculous your claims is.
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The Hoax Theory / Re: Hoax? - Flag moves without being Touched
« Last post by bknight on January 05, 2025, 06:42:01 PM »
The live video of the tape oscillating gives zero weight to your thesis.  Yes, that is a glaring error on your part and you don't have the courage to ad mit that you have made a mistake.  You mention that the pendulum moves too fast. 
Your rebuttal here ignores the fact that MLH proclaims they slowed the frame rate to about 50% for this footage, and instructed the astronauts to "make movements double-speed for the next minute"...  the slowdown should have been to 40%, not 50%... thus the pendulum that they DID show was "too fast"...  but the worst part is that it was decreasing in amplitude considerably, a sign of air resistance.

So the MLH theory for the SEQ Tape pendulum is that... they slowed frame rate to about 50%, and told them to move "double-time" for a minute, so they could give the NASA TD's some fodder... but oops, the amplitude reduced showing the air resistance, so this fodder didn't work out as well as they had hoped.

There is nothing non-feasible here about the MLH proposal.  But there is potentially a fatal flaw for the TD's because the amplitude is decreasing, showing air resistance.
What you claim and what you prove are two different things.  Proof of this live broadcast has been slowed by 50 %.
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The Hoax Theory / Re: Hoax? - Flag moves without being Touched
« Last post by najak on January 05, 2025, 06:39:44 PM »
Some bloke left the door open and this gust of wind came in and did things. These do not explain the flag movement. This occurred during the first videoed depressurisation. Then, that same pillock came along and did the very same thing again, equally with no explanation and also during the next depressurisation.
That's a good counter argument -- the unlikeliness of this "mistake" being also timed with the depressurization.

But it STILL offers no viable explanation for what force moved these flags TOWARDS the LM in the manner we see filmed.
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The Hoax Theory / Re: Hoax? - Flag moves without being Touched
« Last post by najak on January 05, 2025, 06:37:50 PM »
The live video of the tape oscillating gives zero weight to your thesis.  Yes, that is a glaring error on your part and you don't have the courage to ad mit that you have made a mistake.  You mention that the pendulum moves too fast. 
Your rebuttal here ignores the fact that MLH proclaims they slowed the frame rate to about 50% for this footage, and instructed the astronauts to "make movements double-speed for the next minute"...  the slowdown should have been to 40%, not 50%... thus the pendulum that they DID show was "too fast"...  but the worst part is that it was decreasing in amplitude considerably, a sign of air resistance.

So the MLH theory for the SEQ Tape pendulum is that... they slowed frame rate to about 50%, and told them to move "double-time" for a minute, so they could give the NASA TD's some fodder... but oops, the amplitude reduced showing the air resistance, so this fodder didn't work out as well as they had hoped.

There is nothing non-feasible here about the MLH proposal.  But there is potentially a fatal flaw for the TD's because the amplitude is decreasing, showing air resistance.
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