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Offline Luke Pemberton

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Re: Hoax? - Flag moves without being Touched
« Reply #225 on: January 05, 2025, 08:58:47 PM »
Did anybody catch how appalling his logic is here?

It's like watching a police interview. The problem with telling a lie is that you have to be consistent, and eventually you can't keep the consistency.

Same with the moon hoax. Different people trying to tell the same story, but there is no internal consistency. Whereas the Apollo record is internally consistent.

I am still waiting on an answer for my last post to this thread, to what is a relatively simple question.
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Re: Hoax? - Flag moves without being Touched
« Reply #226 on: January 05, 2025, 09:00:39 PM »
How does some pillock leaving the door open work? Amazingly only during depressurisation!
With an atmosphere, there are viable alternatives to cause a draft, even if unlikely.

But without an atmosphere, the viable alternatives seem to be ZERO.
Except there is no atmosphere to speak of on the Moon since the LM was not possibly on Earth.
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Re: Hoax? - Flag moves without being Touched
« Reply #227 on: January 05, 2025, 09:03:12 PM »
OK, I agree to simulate moon's gravity the film must be slowed down according to (1.67/9.81)1/2. So we have to slow the Apollo film from 30 fps to 12.3 fps. Is this the starting point?
Why not create a new thread for this, as it has nothing to do with flag motions?

The MLH theory I've heard involves 144 FPS source frame rate, and an Optical printer.   I believe the technique is described by an anonymous contributor, in a production called "Smoke & Mirrors".  Have you seen it?

This specific aspect of MLH is not one I've studied in detail.  If you think it's something to debunk, start a thread, and you can debunk it there.

Offline bknight

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Re: Hoax? - Flag moves without being Touched
« Reply #228 on: January 05, 2025, 09:08:13 PM »
What you claim and what you prove are two different things.  Proof of this live broadcast has been slowed by 50 %.
I NEVER claimed this as proof.  In fact, LO FORCED ME to address this off-topic claim within another thread.  So I did as I was MANDATED to do, in hopes of being able to start a new thread someday soon.

As I did was I was mandated, WE discovered that this pendulum using the estimates for length WE came up with, showed a period that was about 10% too fast. (IIRC)..  But more interestingly, from the clip you can see the amplitude reducing to about HALF over this minute.  To me, this doesn't look good for Apollo... that's all I said.   I would NOT include this in my top-list of MLH claims, not by a long-shot.  It just turned out to NOT work out well as the TD's had intended.
Why is it that no one else sees a decrease in amplitude except you?  The tape keeps oscillating for the entire 86 seconds until in intersect with anothe piece of something in the descent stage and STOPS.
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Offline Luke Pemberton

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Re: Hoax? - Flag moves without being Touched
« Reply #229 on: January 05, 2025, 09:24:35 PM »
OK, I agree to simulate moon's gravity the film must be slowed down according to (1.67/9.81)1/2. So we have to slow the Apollo film from 30 fps to 12.3 fps. Is this the starting point?
Why not create a new thread for this, as it has nothing to do with flag motions?

You were discussing film slow down rates in this very thread. I quoted you in the question.

But it is OK, I've found the answer to my question from another one of your posts. My question wasn't really about frame rates and how films are slowed, but rather the history of MLH theory and the internal inconsistencies and its shifting goal posts. It is quite funny that you asked me if I was new to MLH theory. On the contrary.

Do you agree that MLH theory must have a consistent set of premises from the start it is to be a viable theory?
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former - Albert Einstein.

I can calculate the motion of heavenly bodies, but not the madness of people – Sir Isaac Newton.

A polar orbit would also bypass the SAA - Tim Finch