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The Hoax Theory / Re: Hoax? - Flag moves without being Touched
« Last post by bknight on January 05, 2025, 09:08:13 PM »
What you claim and what you prove are two different things.  Proof of this live broadcast has been slowed by 50 %.
I NEVER claimed this as proof.  In fact, LO FORCED ME to address this off-topic claim within another thread.  So I did as I was MANDATED to do, in hopes of being able to start a new thread someday soon.

As I did was I was mandated, WE discovered that this pendulum using the estimates for length WE came up with, showed a period that was about 10% too fast. (IIRC)..  But more interestingly, from the clip you can see the amplitude reducing to about HALF over this minute.  To me, this doesn't look good for Apollo... that's all I said.   I would NOT include this in my top-list of MLH claims, not by a long-shot.  It just turned out to NOT work out well as the TD's had intended.
Why is it that no one else sees a decrease in amplitude except you?  The tape keeps oscillating for the entire 86 seconds until in intersect with anothe piece of something in the descent stage and STOPS.
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The Hoax Theory / Re: Telematry Data
« Last post by najak on January 05, 2025, 09:06:00 PM »
My 'stance' is that there is no 'missing' television footage on those tapes, as Dwight has said. And as has also been explained, there is no missing TV footage on the Apollo 11 tapes either, only the raw signal from the unique TV system used for the lunar surface transmissions.
But the source signal tapes are missing? (before conversion to NTSC)

Was there any footage on the tapes that was lost, in a format that we no longer have?

And how do you know there wasn't footage that simply wasn't converted to NTSC?  (meaning that the source formatted tapes have footage no one has seen)
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The Hoax Theory / Re: Hoax? - Flag moves without being Touched
« Last post by najak on January 05, 2025, 09:03:12 PM »
OK, I agree to simulate moon's gravity the film must be slowed down according to (1.67/9.81)1/2. So we have to slow the Apollo film from 30 fps to 12.3 fps. Is this the starting point?
Why not create a new thread for this, as it has nothing to do with flag motions?

The MLH theory I've heard involves 144 FPS source frame rate, and an Optical printer.   I believe the technique is described by an anonymous contributor, in a production called "Smoke & Mirrors".  Have you seen it?

This specific aspect of MLH is not one I've studied in detail.  If you think it's something to debunk, start a thread, and you can debunk it there.
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The Hoax Theory / Re: Telematry Data
« Last post by Jason Thompson on January 05, 2025, 09:01:31 PM »
Your position is noted.  I haven't done the added research.  For now, will take your word for it...  nothing significant on all of those A12-A17 tapes that were lost.  That is your stance, right?

My 'stance' is that there is no 'missing' television footage on those tapes, as Dwight has said. And as has also been explained, there is no missing TV footage on the Apollo 11 tapes either, only the raw signal from the unique TV system used for the lunar surface transmissions.
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The Hoax Theory / Re: Hoax? - Flag moves without being Touched
« Last post by bknight on January 05, 2025, 09:00:39 PM »
How does some pillock leaving the door open work? Amazingly only during depressurisation!
With an atmosphere, there are viable alternatives to cause a draft, even if unlikely.

But without an atmosphere, the viable alternatives seem to be ZERO.
Except there is no atmosphere to speak of on the Moon since the LM was not possibly on Earth.
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The Hoax Theory / Re: Telematry Data
« Last post by najak on January 05, 2025, 08:58:55 PM »
The truth about the videotapes is that they reside at JSC and their corresponding kinescopes at NARA.

What is decpetive about stating the TELEMETRY tapes are missing? You do know the difference between a telemetry recording and a videotape recording, right?
Yes.  But was under the impression that they were also interleafed together.  Currently, my understanding is that most of the video recordings we have is AFTER conversion... the pre-conversion tapes used to exist -- now they don't.

A12-A17 sent SSTV signals, which were converted to NTSC... original tapes lost?

One reason I'm here is to be "set straight" on certain things.   Echo Chambers do not provide accurate understandings.

So I'm hear to learn, and it seems to me you have considerable knowledge, and a willingness to teach.  Thanks in advance.
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The Hoax Theory / Re: Hoax? - Flag moves without being Touched
« Last post by Luke Pemberton on January 05, 2025, 08:58:47 PM »
Did anybody catch how appalling his logic is here?

It's like watching a police interview. The problem with telling a lie is that you have to be consistent, and eventually you can't keep the consistency.

Same with the moon hoax. Different people trying to tell the same story, but there is no internal consistency. Whereas the Apollo record is internally consistent.

I am still waiting on an answer for my last post to this thread, to what is a relatively simple question.
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Here we are dealing with "people trying to figure out a way to trick us" - to the opportunities are endless.

No, they really are not, because EVERY possibility introduces something else you need to account for.

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But for the TD case, you have to deal with a context of "normalcy" -- there are no humans trying to trick you.  Whatever explanation a TD can come up with is confined to the realm of "physics, machine mechanics, etc".. normal stuff.

Your hoax explanations are still bound by physics and 'normalcy'. You don't get to handwave any old explanation without considering its implications.

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If I were in your shoes, I wouldn't want to write it up either, because I'd find myself unable to reasonably provide a viable explanation.

Once again, STOP ascribing motivations to me. YOU claim this is abnormal. YOU bear the burden of proof to show that it is what you claim it to be. YOUR explanation has to hold water.

I do not know if the movements are programmed responses to loss of tracking, a glitch caused by spurious input, a system disrupted by a sudden movement settling down to a static position, or what it might be. But any of those suggestions are possible and do not require the invention of external rigs and editing of the footage. You have no evidence for such things beyond 'it looks odd to you so those things must exist to explain it', and that is a common theme of all your arguments so far.
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The Hoax Theory / Re: Telematry Data
« Last post by Mag40 on January 05, 2025, 08:57:05 PM »
I haven't done the added research.
Everyone knows this.
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nothing significant on all of those A12-A17 tapes that were lost.  That is your stance, right?
There were no tapes "Lost"! The data was recorded in various other formats.
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The Hoax Theory / Re: Telematry Data
« Last post by najak on January 05, 2025, 08:53:02 PM »
I'll note your understanding.  If it is WRONG -- will you note that you were most likely "deliberately deceived"?

No, because there is nothing deceptive. It is, as usual, your lack of understanding of the significance of those specific telemetry tapes that is the stumbling block here.
Your position is noted.  I haven't done the added research.  For now, will take your word for it...  nothing significant on all of those A12-A17 tapes that were lost.  That is your stance, right?
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