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The Hoax Theory / Re: Hoax? - Apollo 12 Lunar Rendezvous, Dish Falls with Gravity

« Last post by najak on January 05, 2025, 06:31:34 PM »

You are claiming that it is proof that the Moon landings were faked. That leads to questions that you must answer.

Not claiming this.  Not PROOF of faked moon landings.  Only trying to determine the best explanation of this fling, bouncing, then pendulum-like motion from a TD perspective.

And if they have separate questions related to MLH, these are separate threads of thought.  The Bochum concept involves a host of other "3rd party validations of flight/landing".

If you allow this, then you allow EVERY OTHER TOPIC to be brought in.   While you do the OPPOSITE FOR ME...  I cannot explain the OTHER reasons I currently believe MLH is true.

The purpose of this WHOLE FORUM, is to cover TOPICS.   The COMMON GLOBAL TOPIC is "Did we really land humans on the Moon?"...    So we investigate individual isolated pieces of evidence.   It's bad practice to allow every single topic to be polluted with many many many things off-topic.

For example, I believe the corruption exhibited in 1960's due to a variety of other PROOFS of corruption -- all contribute to why I believe this Pendulum motion is best explained by gravity.  Can I bring those up, and demand answers?  Nope.  Those deserve separate threads.   We should be on the same team, unless you are under some contract with NASA to help protect them.

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The Hoax Theory / Re: Hoax? - Apollo 12 Lunar Rendezvous, Dish Falls with Gravity

« Last post by najak on January 05, 2025, 06:24:16 PM »

It is not hinged.

Thanks for the image reference, I added this one to the document.

"Hinge joint" is a Physics rigid-body term.... it simply means it's "motion constrained to a single axis", but also does imply that it has constraints (maximum angle).

The docs seem to indicate that the dish itself has a 360 span...  and the armature 180 deg.  These aren't technically "hinges" though as we traditionally think of hinges.

The first two oscillilations "bounce" off something (as it's immediate and with similar rebound velocity) -- I was calling these "Hinge constraints".

In your current explanation, you are calling them "servo-motor maneuvers"...

You can modify your explanation as many times as you want, without shame.  (I won't accuse you of moving goal posts, or making-up-new-shit, etc -- as this is the whole point of this process, to help devise the very best TD explanation for this behavior... which takes iterations.)

I'll document whatever you come up with... hopefully as a collaboration among the group of you.

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The Hoax Theory / Re: Hoax? - Flag moves without being Touched

« Last post by bknight on January 05, 2025, 06:19:58 PM »

From the A12 antenna thread.

I point out a glaring error in your thesis concerning A14 and all you can do is rant about bias.  You are really terrible at this.  Point blank do you believe that A14 was not on Earth?

"glaring error" - can you be more specific?

Point blank, I don't think we landed humans on the moon... yet.

The live video of the tape oscillating gives zero weight to your thesis.  Yes, that is a glaring error on your part and you don't have the courage to ad mit that you have made a mistake.  You mention that the pendulum moves too fast. 
Well lets put it another way it made 18 oscillations in 86 seconds that was 4.8 seconds per oscillation.  Now IF that pendulum was on Earth it would need to be ~5.7 meters long.  4.8=2Pi*sqrt(L/G) where G is 9.8 on Earth as you believe.  Do you really believe that the tape is 5.7 meters long, or expect the rest of us to believe that it is?  Your thesis fails miserably.  The LM was not on Earth.  So where could it have been?  Could it be on Mars, no the "ground" doesn't appear to be oxidized.  The only object that NASA planned and executed in the late 60's early 70's was land on the Moon.  You are not as smart as you think you are.  And yes, this is physics.
If you need to refer to the video, look on page 8 if you don't remember.

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The Hoax Theory / Re: Hoax? - Apollo 12 Lunar Rendezvous, Dish Falls with Gravity

« Last post by LunarOrbit on January 05, 2025, 06:19:07 PM »

And any comment on Bochum being able to receive Apollo TV by pointing their antenna at the moon?

Off-topic.

Nah, I'll allow it. After all, you're saying the antenna in that video was fake... so why was Bochum receiving Apollo TV signals from the Moon? You can't ignore that question, it is directly related to your claim.

I'm only claiming that it moves like a pendulum.

You are claiming that it is proof that the Moon landings were faked. That leads to questions that you must answer.

If you can't answer WHY Bochum was receiving TV signals from the Moon then it throws into doubt that your interpretation of the antenna movements is correct.

Completely lop-sided refereeing here.

This is how it works. If you can't make your theory jive with all of the other evidence that supports Apollo then it is your theory that is put into doubt, not the authenticity of Apollo.

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The Hoax Theory / Re: Hoax? - Apollo 12 Lunar Rendezvous, Dish Falls with Gravity

« Last post by najak on January 05, 2025, 06:17:52 PM »

There has been no addressing of the manual vs automatic movement of the antenna. Why not?

Both automated and manual use the same servo-motor to control motion.  The Claim here has to do with the "fast free flopping pendulum motion" of the dish as it settles out, which doesn't comport with the notion of being "servo-motor controlled" -- because part of the onus for the TD's here is to explain the "decreasing amplitude" reversals that happen...  And so the best guess so far seems to be that this was a servo-motor action (otherwise, how did it "reverse" before hitting the motion constraints?).

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The Hoax Theory / Re: Telematry Data

« Last post by dwight on January 05, 2025, 06:13:35 PM »

One aspect about the missing telemetry tapes is that not one hoax proponent, prior to the announcement of the tapes in 2009, ever thought to consider the TV data stored on those recordings. I was loosely involved in the tape search, and I know first hand that it was only our core group who were hoping to retrieve these tapes for the TV signal stored within.

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The Hoax Theory / Re: Hoax? - Apollo 12 Lunar Rendezvous, Dish Falls with Gravity

« Last post by najak on January 05, 2025, 06:10:28 PM »

And any comment on Bochum being able to receive Apollo TV by pointing their antenna at the moon?

Off-topic.

Nah, I'll allow it. After all, you're saying the antenna in that video was fake... so why was Bochum receiving Apollo TV signals from the Moon? You can't ignore that question, it is directly related to your claim.

I'm only claiming that it moves like a pendulum.

Otherwise, you are allowing for the full Gish-Gallop of EVERYTHING pro-Apollo to be brought up here.

So I have limited my CLAIM here to ONLY the that this dish flings free, and then settles down with motion like that of a pendulum.  Period.

The OTHER topics all deserve threads... otherwise, you are allowing a mostly UNLIMITED NUMBER of off-topic arguments that have nothing to do with this "Pendulum-like motion" -- while for me, you won't allow me to then explain all of the OTHER reasons I currently believe MLH.

Completely lop-sided refereeing here. 

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The Hoax Theory / Re: Hoax? - Apollo 12 Lunar Rendezvous, Dish Falls with Gravity

« Last post by najak on January 05, 2025, 06:06:34 PM »

Why would it continue with the same amplitude if it is oscillating around a final resting position as a result of ‘springiness’ in the system?

When you hit a hinge-constraint, there is springiness to the response.

Are you now suggesting that there are springs inside that are always wanting to return to the default position?

The two hinges have motion limits of 180 degrees vs. 360 degrees.

Here's a performance analysis doc with diagrams for the two-hinge angles.
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/19720012253/downloads/19720012253.pdf

And here's a live picture of one, opened up, high-res:
https://ids.si.edu/ids/deliveryService?id=NASM-A19770614000cp01

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The Hoax Theory / Re: Hoax? - Apollo 12 Lunar Rendezvous, Dish Falls with Gravity

« Last post by LunarOrbit on January 05, 2025, 06:05:18 PM »

And any comment on Bochum being able to receive Apollo TV by pointing their antenna at the moon?

Off-topic.

Nah, I'll allow it. After all, you're saying the antenna in that video was fake... so why was Bochum receiving Apollo TV signals from the Moon? You can't ignore that question, it is directly related to your claim.

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The Hoax Theory / Re: Hoax? - Apollo 12 Lunar Rendezvous, Dish Falls with Gravity

« Last post by dwight on January 05, 2025, 05:52:36 PM »

There has been no addressing of the manual vs automatic movement of the antenna. Why not?