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This dish is on a dual-hinge armature.  From 2-hinge motion (at 90-degree angles to each other), it can point in ANY direction.  We see both hinges bounce.  The armature hinge bounces around a couple times, and the Dish hinge bounces 9x.   The dish-hinge is the one which exhibits the pendulum-like motion.

It is not hinged.
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The Hoax Theory / Re: Hoax? - Sand Falls too Fast.
« Last post by Mag40 on January 05, 2025, 05:46:51 PM »
[I'd like to close this thread out too, given that no new points are being brought to light.  We're just circling dead horses now.
Stop lying! Post 180 details how appalling your answers have been. The following have systematically been evaded by you with no response or diversion.

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It only shows up in your version of the video -- not in this photo, nor in the NASA linked video. 
1. You claim I doctored footage when your own page 1 example shows the same parabola! Withdraw the claim unconditionally. You repeated this lie even after I posted the gif!
https://i.ibb.co/M9k4Hfk/Apollo-16-big-navy-jump-salute-with-timer.gif

2. You have yet to address the appearance of the same ground mark on the 2 jumps preceding The main Gene Cernan jump....showing the dust hitting the ground as he lands!


3. You have ignored the zoomed in volleyball example showing "dust falls too fast".
https://i.ibb.co/hfDCpk4/Jump1-sandfallsquickly-ezgif-com-resize.gif

4. Not once have you acknowledged that viewing conditions were far from ideal, grey on grey, kicked forwards away from Young and grainy video. Acknowledge this and show some integrity and factor it in. Most of the soil didn't even rise as high as he did!

5. You claimed the visible parabola was a "splatter" where did it go between images? Not a splatter, so what is your new obfuscationary theory?
https://apollohoax.net/forum/index.php?topic=2019.msg58683#msg58683

6. In that John Young gif, there is a shadow of dust moving forwards on the left and when he is descending there is slight ground discolouration as the dust settles - it moves forwards as a wave.
https://i.ibb.co/qrjRGpk/Jump.gif

7. You are the only one who can't see the Gene Cernan jump's wave of dust hitting the ground in a nice neat event! That is pure dishonest evasion.
https://i.ibb.co/bBN2W5n/ezgif-4-bf2a5dc2a2.gif

8. Your insistence that somebody could kick a wave of dust 1.25m high at 7.22 m per second on Earth, with a sideways flick of their foot is so absurd it becomes pure evasive obfuscation.
https://i.ibb.co/PFMzmYx/9cl91y.gif

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/258606632_Ballistic_motion_of_dust_particles_in_the_Lunar_Roving_Vehicle_dust_trails
"V. SUMMARY
We have analyzed the motion of the dust clouds lofted by the Lunar Roving Vehicle of the Apollo 16 mission. Adopting a simple 2D geometry, we found that the dust followed ballistic trajectories under the influence of the lunar gravity. The gravitational constant of the moon derived from the dust trajectory is within 10% of the expected value. The images used in our analysis are available online for use as supplementary material in physics education.

I've got way more examples to disprove this puny, myopic thread.

All above unanswered.

John Young Jump
1. There is a nice parabolic arc of dust in perfect sync with his jump and the same height. Time up = Time down.
2. Disipation is irrelevant grey on grey on poor grainy video.
3. We clearly see shaded areas on the ground moving forwards away from Young.

Gene Cernan Bunny Hops
1. There is a nice parabolic arc of dust level with his boot. Time up = Time down.
2. Disipation is irrelevant grey on grey on poor grainy video.
3. We clearly see 3 impact areas on the ground for each of the last 3 jumps.

Dust Sideways kick
1. The height of this wave is just plain wrong for a little boot flick.
2. The distance requires >7m per second force with a sideways kick? That's ridiculous.
3. No dust suspension, no matter what you claim.
4. Adjusted for gravity without the unsubstantiated, unproven selective magic speed video, the astronauts look extremely unnatural

Members should be made aware of your truly daft claim that the upward "draft" from a suction vacuum is responsible for lifting the dust off of the surface! Simple experiment, place bucket 1/4 inch from surface and yank it up - are you seriously claiming that the bucket pulls up a column of dirt/sand/dust?

You have nowhere to go now. Cernan and Young jumps both show dust level with boot at apex. Time up = time down. The dust is not on wires therefore......an honest physicist fills in the details.
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The Hoax Theory / Re: Hoax? - Apollo 12 Lunar Rendezvous, Dish Falls with Gravity
« Last post by Zakalwe on January 05, 2025, 05:46:51 PM »
If it had a motor to move it, then why would it need a wire? Or, if it had a wire to move it, then why would it need a motor?
Perhaps it only had a "locking mechanism" or perhaps the motorized unit was unable to "track the supposed earth location" adequately.   So they decided to rig up a guide wire to keep it's aim constant.

The Pendulum behavior for the settling out is a key point here.   This indicates gravity.  If weightless, it would continue at the SAME AMPLITUDE, only slower.   But this settling out shows 7 oscillations, each with decreasing amplitude.   Why did the dish reverse directions before hitting the hinge-constraint?

Pointless and baseless speculation without a shred of evidence to support it.  It doesn't even make sense.

The smell of elderberries and hamsters is eye watering....
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The Hoax Theory / Re: Impossible Film Tech?
« Last post by dwight on January 05, 2025, 05:42:24 PM »
Another question to Najak. Do you agree the TV cameras were opearting on all post Apollo 11 missions at 30 frames per second?
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The Hoax Theory / Re: Hoax? - Apollo 12 Lunar Rendezvous, Dish Falls with Gravity
« Last post by dwight on January 05, 2025, 05:36:53 PM »
Off-topic.

Then why bring up the concept of nothing was shot in space in this thread? Please refrain from doing it in the future.
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The Hoax Theory / Re: Hoax? - Apollo 12 Lunar Rendezvous, Dish Falls with Gravity
« Last post by Mag40 on January 05, 2025, 05:36:32 PM »
I'm only establishing now that the Dish contorts away from the LM, then snaps-free- bounces off the hinge constraints twice, then settles out LIKE a pendulum, with 7 more oscillations each with decreasing amplitude, and a similar period.   
You see a stupid pendulum that ceases completely, even as the LM continues to rotate on its axis and then yaw to the side.

You keep ignoring where I raise these points. You are making the absurd claim that the dish cuts loose suddenly then just as it stops moving it suddenly acquires magic stability as the LM changes orientation!

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This behavior appears to me as an unexplained anomaly for the TD's (Truth Defenders).
Nobody cares how anything "appears" to you. You have loaded your mind with a conclusion and defend it with no  objectivity or logic.

1. You still haven't provided any accurate data that shows how the dish was connected or how it "disconnected".
2. You seem to be unable to rectify how Newton's 3rd law can cause an object to change direction, given that said object must be constrained.
3. You are definitely preaching to the fools on Facebook with your ego the most precious commodity.
4. Stop being a complete arse and address the bolded part above.
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The Hoax Theory / Re: Hoax? - Apollo 12 Lunar Rendezvous, Dish Falls with Gravity
« Last post by najak on January 05, 2025, 05:35:23 PM »
I'm only establishing now that the Dish contorts away from the LM, then snaps-free- bounces off the hinge constraints twice, then settles out LIKE a pendulum, with 7 more oscillations each with decreasing amplitude, and a similar period.   


You keep using the word 'hinge'. To what 'hinge' are you referring to?
This dish is on a dual-hinge armature.  From 2-hinge motion (at 90-degree angles to each other), it can point in ANY direction.  We see both hinges bounce.  The armature hinge bounces around a couple times, and the Dish hinge bounces 9x.   The dish-hinge is the one which exhibits the pendulum-like motion.
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Why would it continue with the same amplitude if it is oscillating around a final resting position as a result of ‘springiness’ in the system?
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The Hoax Theory / Re: Hoax? - Apollo 12 Lunar Rendezvous, Dish Falls with Gravity
« Last post by najak on January 05, 2025, 05:33:08 PM »
And any comment on Bochum being able to receive Apollo TV by pointing their antenna at the moon?
Off-topic.  We could discuss this in a new thread -- start it, and I'll join in.  It can cover all 1970's live tracking claims, including Bochum, amateurs, Jodrell, Italy, etc.
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The Hoax Theory / Re: Hoax? - Apollo 12 Lunar Rendezvous, Dish Falls with Gravity
« Last post by najak on January 05, 2025, 05:31:14 PM »
Yes, I would point to the springiness in the system. But that is a generalized proposition. I don't know anything about the specific construction of the mount.
But you cannot get around energy dissipation whether it is a pendulum or any other oscillating system. It has nothing to do with gravity or not.
Energy dissipation occurs even in space - agreed.

My issue has to do with the "decreasing amplitude" of each successive oscillation.   In Gravity -- THIS is what energy dissipation would look like.

While in space (weightless), it would continue with SAME AMPLITUDE, but a decreasing SPEED..  it would simply "Slow down"... each time going to the SAME hinge constraint and bouncing off of it.  Each bounce would reduce the energy, and as it rotates, the hinge itself applies some resistance...   But in the end - it would randomly stop ANYWHERE along the path -- with the MOST LIKELY place to stop being just AFTER a bounce...  As the bounces would be the thing that reduces energy the most (like a step function). 

Instead, it hones in on the center position, reversing direction before hitting a hinge constraint.   Therefore, some FORCE has to ACT ON IT to reverse direction.  MLH says that this force is gravity.

So far, TD's best proposal is that it was the servo-motor running a reset-algorithm, and instead of just moving straight to "center/default position" it oscillates very quickly/suddenly, 9x before stopping.

I'm open to using whatever wording you like for this.
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