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The Hoax Theory / Re: Telematry Data

« Last post by dwight on January 05, 2025, 08:11:37 PM »

Are you sure you have done your research into the TV recordings? How can you claim there is suspicious activity when you havent even seen the original telecasts?

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The Hoax Theory / Re: Telematry Data

« Last post by najak on January 05, 2025, 08:06:46 PM »

1. Do you have any basis to claim any other tapes are lost?
2. Yes, but it included material that had been broadcast live. The 'not for public' doesn't mean what he thinks it means.

1. NASA is presenting that only the A11 tapes were lost, right?  Has anyone looked for the other mission tapes?
2. I believe it was "never seen before on live TV" until AFTER he received these, around 2000 time frame.

Although I think Sibrel's interpretation is junkish, IMO, there is some suspicious activity going on here.  If we can find the source footage (again, it being scrubbed seems suspicious) - we could have a better discussion on it.   "A Funny thing" snips it together in deceptive manner... I want the original footage which indicates mission time.

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The Hoax Theory / Re: Hoax? - Flag moves without being Touched

« Last post by TimberWolfAu on January 05, 2025, 08:05:22 PM »

To be clear, my CLAIM is simply that these movements currently have no viable explanation within the Lunar context.  Period.  That's it.

Depressurisation of the LM.

There you go, one viable explanation that doesn't require a multi-decade, multi-country, multi-government, conspiracy behind it.

Naturally, as part of your counter, you will need to explain how the flag moved while it was off screen, since that will influence how it moves while on screen. And, of course, you have a detailed explanation that covers why the flag moved if the footage was faked?

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The Hoax Theory / Re: Hoax? - Lunar Launches - Too Fast

« Last post by najak on January 05, 2025, 08:01:35 PM »

Rasa is nothing like LO. I have yet to see anyone here say that they have had posts/comments deleted, simply because they showed where LO (or someone else posting) was wrong. Rasa, however, and the other mods, routinely hide/delete comments/posts that show they are incorrect in their statements. Even something as simple as Rasa claiming person X is in a photo, when in reality it was person Y, comments correcting him will get removed.

No comment.   Rasa and I haven't always been on the best of terms, as he threatened to ban me a few times as well, for correcting the way they truth TD's (Truth Defenders!).

I tried to convince Rasa, to no avail, to create a Neutral zone, and to treat TD's as our friends, not "trolls".  I do think he changed his behavior considerably after me hounding him in private, and expressing my rationale for making things more neutral.   I've noticed a change...

But still, if anyone comes to Rasa's FB, I'll be nice, and encourage others to do the same.

Neutral debate forums - that's my biggest desire.  In the end -- We Are One.   We're all in this together.

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The Hoax Theory / Re: Telematry Data

« Last post by Jason Thompson on January 05, 2025, 08:00:53 PM »

"for A11" -- are you under the impression that only the A11 tapes were lost?  Where are the ones for A12 to A17?

Do you have any basis to claim any other tapes are lost?

IIRC, Sibrel did have one that starts with "Not for public..."

Yes, but it included material that had been broadcast live. The 'not for public' doesn't mean what he thinks it means.

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The Hoax Theory / Re: Telematry Data

« Last post by dwight on January 05, 2025, 07:59:25 PM »

The tapes for Apollo 12 through 17 are held at JSC. The kinescopes are held at NARA. Apollo 12 through 17 did not use SSTV.

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The Hoax Theory / Re: Telematry Data

« Last post by Jason Thompson on January 05, 2025, 07:56:39 PM »

Where is all of the private footage?  Gone.

Or, as Dwight says, there never was any to begin with. On what are you basing your suggestion that such footage ever existed in the first place?

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The Hoax Theory / Re: Telematry Data

« Last post by najak on January 05, 2025, 07:56:08 PM »

There has been NO "private" SSTV footage lost - meaning what was televised in 1969 has always been available. There was no SSTV from inside the LM, nor the CSM for Apollo 11. The scan-converted video of the Lunar EVA has been stored on videotape and kinescope since 1969. All TV color downlinks from the missions is accounted for, with the expection of LOS during brief points in the timeline, the most notable being the crew statements. CBS holds the complete recording in which you see the signal lost, and where you hear Capcom instruct the crew that TV has been lost. The CBS tapes have color bars at this point of the feed but retain continuous audio. Bart Sibrel has attempted to claim he has footage never intended for the public, yet this material was televised live on CBS.

"for A11" -- are you under the impression that only the A11 tapes were lost?  Where are the ones for A12 to A17?

IIRC, Sibrel did have one that starts with "Not for public..." -- I'm STILL looking for this one online.  For a time it was on "Vintage TV" via YouTube, but it's been yanked.  I want to see the ORIGINAL tape footage start to finish with the date/stamped plates.   

Does anyone know where to find this footage again?  I spent 30 minutes looking, and the link I first found from October has been purged.

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The Hoax Theory / Re: Hoax? - Lunar Launches - Too Fast

« Last post by TimberWolfAu on January 05, 2025, 07:55:31 PM »

Like Lunar Orbit here, Rasa also uses his home-court advantage to employ biases in favor of MLH.

Rasa is nothing like LO. I have yet to see anyone here say that they have had posts/comments deleted, simply because they showed where LO (or someone else posting) was wrong. Rasa, however, and the other mods, routinely hide/delete comments/posts that show they are incorrect in their statements. Even something as simple as Rasa claiming person X is in a photo, when in reality it was person Y, comments correcting him will get removed.

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The Hoax Theory / Re: Hoax? - Apollo 12 Lunar Rendezvous, Dish Falls with Gravity

« Last post by Jason Thompson on January 05, 2025, 07:54:43 PM »

You can modify your explanation as many times as you want, without shame.

I am not modifying anything, nor trying to narrow down to the exact explanation for the observed movements. The point is to show that there are other possibilities besides a pendulum swinging in gravity, and they carry more weight because they don't require the additional elements of guidewires, 'neutral' settings or brakes, or even edits to the film and TV footage to explain everything that is seen.

That is literally all that is required to counter your argument.